tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719362718346107647.post5846439210553353396..comments2024-03-16T09:11:27.097-04:00Comments on GrEaT sAtAn"S gIrLfRiEnD: Satanicus Giganticus Doctrinaire'GrEaT sAtAn'S gIrLfRiEnDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09760252542953109449noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719362718346107647.post-32486697413576130352008-06-25T13:43:00.000-04:002008-06-25T13:43:00.000-04:00I lost a big long post on this, Courtney. So I'm j...I lost a big long post on this, Courtney. So I'm just going to provide the link to Wolfowitz's article that I think is a pretty decent idea for handling the situation in Zimbabwe. I went through scenarios for a military invasion in my post, as a back-up plan, but given that noone is asking my advice on the matter, I'm not sure it actually matters:).<BR/><BR/>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121435085253401573.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries<BR/><BR/>I'd actually rather see a loophole in any deal offered to Mugabe where he is brought to justice after he is out of power and out of the country. After his ugly, cynical behavior in the last few months, especially, I think he needs to see some justice.<BR/><BR/>But Paul's isn't a bad idea for getting some movement on the situation.Ben Sutherlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14193389264010365448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719362718346107647.post-8905826543460718002008-06-25T13:33:00.000-04:002008-06-25T13:33:00.000-04:00This was a pretty good suggestion by Paul Wolfowit...This was a pretty good suggestion by Paul Wolfowitz, this morning, Courtney. I doubt the international pressure does much of anything, at all, frankly, except make us feel like we're doing something. But the rest of the policy suggestions in this piece are solid, I think.<BR/><BR/>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121435085253401573.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries<BR/><BR/>I actually am in favor of offering Mugabe a deal with a backdoor loophole where he faces justice once out of the country and out of power. I don't have a problem with cheatin' when murdering dictator is involved. Especially given his recent most cynical moves.<BR/><BR/>Notice Wolfowitz's observation about an invasion and what the people of Zimbabwe want or don't want. It matters in geopolitics. Too many lives on the line.<BR/><BR/>If he won't take a deal, a diplomatic agreement will have to be met until we can be sure that the people of Zimbabwe would favor an invasion. If military force is necessary, it should be led by Zimbabweans, up front, as a symbolically indigenous effort, at the very least, and with as much material and intelligence support they would be able to provide. African troops should play a major role in that effort, if it is needed, since British and Western imperialism is already the boogeyman that Mugabe manipulates to maintain power. British troops should abstain, as such, and as few European troops as is necessary (though if they have the know-how, will, technology, and overwhelming force to keep more people alive, then that should be a factor, of course).<BR/><BR/>But Paul's right that a peaceful route should be found, as much as possible, to keep as many people alive as possible and to not create another needless quagmire that we can't sustain.<BR/><BR/>That's been the hold-up on Sudan. Western leaders don't trust that they can pull another invasion off, post-Iraq, with minimal casualities and with a sustainable, democratic outcome that does not necessitate further military sacrafices.<BR/><BR/>We can, I'm confident. We just have to think our way out of that problem, as Paul is doing here, rather than try to foolishly bludgeon our way out.<BR/><BR/>We're smarter than that. So we need to start acting like it.<BR/><BR/>Paul's suggestion isn't a bad start.Ben Sutherlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14193389264010365448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719362718346107647.post-24327536046375200422008-06-25T02:26:00.000-04:002008-06-25T02:26:00.000-04:00I suspect when and if Obama is sitting in the chai...I suspect when and if Obama is sitting in the chair his eyes will be opened and he will indeed become a rhetorical lying lawyer politician like the rest. Bash the Bush doctrine and then adopt it only under a different name...the Obama doctrine...:)NNikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06506161645223765063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719362718346107647.post-16953343999294464912008-06-25T00:45:00.000-04:002008-06-25T00:45:00.000-04:00You said it correctly. But one little problem. N...You said it correctly. But one little problem. Nothing will be done about Zimbabwe or Darfur because they are African nations that do not border Israel. Now if either one was near Israel or had a small fraction of so-called Palestinians, then you'd have the UN crying about the people. But you have the Sudan, a Muslim nation, killing other Muslims and non-Muslims. That is allowed in the UN. And you have Zimbabwe, once one of the richest lands in Africa, now a mess, killing its white minority population. And that is allowed in the UN.<BR/><BR/>It will take a change of attitude in the world for there to be real change in Africa. I won't be holding my breath waiting for such a change.Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719362718346107647.post-5453009618379641362008-06-24T23:55:00.000-04:002008-06-24T23:55:00.000-04:00I read this article this morning. As usual, the a...I read this article this morning. As usual, the author has it right.Karen Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12692791436106987353noreply@blogger.com