As previously previewed, the WikiLeaky leaks stripped bare the upheld faux notion of a kind of 'Grand Bargain" of sorts with crazy girl fearing, Little Satan obsessed Preacher Command in Tehran.
For 44 - it gets worse - extending a friendly hello, laurel and hardy handshake - to an illegit regime - "...to Khamenei not because the president is slow to anger when aggrieved Third Worlders kill Americans, but because he saw Iranian activity in Iraq, deplorable as it was, as somehow extricable from Iranian foreign policy toward the United States.
Well, see, the prob for 44's wishful thinking FoPo ala Iran "...is that Ali Khamenei and his inner circle really like to kill Americans. They had relatively few opportunities to do so before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But those wars have brought American targets near. The Iranians are killing Americans not as Persian dynasties once fought the intrusions of Byzantines from the West and marauding Turkic horsemen from the East, because they are invaders. They’re targeting Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan because they can do so easily.
"...It doesn’t help that Washington has been trying to establish in Iraq a Shiite-led democratic system that, if it starts to function properly, will complicate Khamenei’s despotic rule in Shiite Iran. We may not see much significance in the fact that the regime-shaking, pro-democracy Green Movement developed after America established “outposts” in Iraq and Afghanistan, but Khamenei and his guards undoubtedly do.
If and when Persia does go new clear - 44's fecklessness may actually invite a contest l'guerre:
"...If the press reports are true about Iran now supplying surface-to-air missiles to the Taliban, then we are asking for Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guards to hit us even harder if we don’t respond militarily to their provocation. Such weaponry is a significant escalation over Explosively Formed Penetrators. Any serious threat to American and NATO helicopters in Afghanistan could be militarily and politically paralyzing.
"...The Islamic Republic is a different type of menace from the Soviet Union, with a much more vicious, America-centric ideology at work among the regime’s hardcore. We are fortunate that this ideology is contained within a state that has assets we can destroy.
"...Tehran needs to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Great Satan is prepared to shake the foundations of the Islamic Republic if it continues to kill Americans.
Pic - "Asking for it"
I don't believe President O would be capable of striking back at Iran, not even if he thought such a tough new stance might help him get reelected. He can only go hardass on his domestic enemies. Community agitators don't know poop about real warfare.
ReplyDeleteBut Osama can sure get a bullshit healthcare bill passed, that counts for something right? lol...
ReplyDeleteWOW! A former AEI/PNAC consultant who urged for attacking Iran in Feb2002 along with Iraq suggests that Iranians loves killing Americans, so we should start the bombing runs tomorrow!! Who would have thunk it? I sure am convinced. Let's go!
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the utter idiocy of this argument doesn't even pass the test of common sense. China supported nK against us in the 1950s, we didn't bomb them. The Sovs supported North Vietnam against us in the 1970s, we didn't bomb them.
But because "Iranians love to kill Americans," we need to attack Iran, before we even pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Now we haven't seen any Iranian Republican Guard members attacking US soldiers, but hey, it's all in the spirit of things. Because yeah, we have all this excess weaponry and bored military persons who are just dying to get into another conflict. Oh wait, they're already dying in Bush's two unending wars.
Ah, Come on J - a little signal here and there - striking a few tender, sensitive portions - like Iran's drone factory, foreign fighters training base or IED plants wouldn't hurt.
ReplyDeleteGerecht's point is pretty solid.
"extending a friendly hello, laurel and hardy handshake"
ReplyDeleteDammit - you made me spew coffee all over the monitor!
But, Sigger, we most certainly did bomb mainland China during the Korean War. We and our Taiwanese allies also fought several major aerial battles with China during and after the Korean War. We also infiltrated numerous dissident anti-Communist Chinese into mainland China and flew almost constant air recon missions over the mainland (some of which MacArthur ignored) and continued to do so long after the Korean War Armistice was signed.
ReplyDeleteUS MAAG-Taiwan.
But we most certainly have captured Iranian IRGC-Qods Force members inside Iraq with weapons and explosives. And IRGC has most certainly killed Americans, hasn't it?
The utter idiocy of somebody not knowing the history of which he claims to speak is compounded by the fools who pay that person to wear the title of "analyst."
"Bush's two wars..."
Because there is no al-Qaeda, no terrorism, and 9/11 didn't really happen?
Are you a Troofer Jason Sigger? Because when you say Bush started two wars, it doesn't leave much room for any other conclusion, does it?
Nobody said, "Iranians loves to kill Americans" except you. The quote you are butchering to lie your point is, "...Ali Khamenei and his inner circle really like to kill Americans." And the orginal quote is every bit as correct as your butchering of it is a lie.
Sigger, every single time I have the misfortune to read your made-up prog twaddle I'm stunned that people in the US military actually think that you have a clue about what you are talking about. That Wikileaks stuff is really making you look like a world class fool, isn't it?
GAUNTLET,
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They been askin' for it for quite some time. Before some y'all were breathing the fine USA air and basking in the freedoms we enjoy.
ReplyDeleteDamn sure is time, past time IMO, that they get some of what they be askin' for.
J:
ReplyDelete"China supported nK against us in the 1950s, we didn't bomb them."
Because we didn't want Global Thermonuclear War.
"The Sovs supported North Vietnam against us in the 1970s, we didn't bomb them. "
See above.
"But because "Iranians love to kill Americans," we need to attack Iran,"
That does tend to be what war is. The other guys kill you, you kill the other guys, etc.
But, of course, the question is, is it worth going to war with Iran to get them to stop killing our people in Iraq, especially since we're leaving Iraq.
" Now we haven't seen any Iranian Republican [sic]Guard members attacking US soldiers, but hey, it's all in the spirit of things."
How would we know if they were? The Shia militias, some of them anyway, seem to (and obviously /I/ don't have the intel on this, so maybe its true, maybe its not) have learned to make EFP from the Rev Guard (the ones that weren't too busy sniping girls in green). So what's it matter if they are actually carrying out the attacks. I mean, Proxy Wars are what you have when the Patrons /can't/ directly conflict, that hardly means its not a Proxy War. We killed soviets in afghanistan by giving the 'holy warriors' SAMS. The Soviets and Chinese killed our guys in Vietnam by giving the north weapons. Lets not fall for our own 'lie' here, we know what we're doing and they know what they're doing.
"Oh wait, they're already dying in Bush's two unending wars."
Ohhh SNAP rhetorical score built up on dead service men yo, republicans just got served *does a funky dance*
maxx:
"They been askin' for it for quite some time. "
In the Iranians' defense here (playing devils advocate, yes no?), the people in Iran that were 'right' were the paranoid lunatics. I mean, we were supporting the Shah, he was an autocrat, we'd've loved to have bombed 'em and put him back in power, we do support terrorists in their borders, we are secretly trying to assassinate their holy leaders, etc. They really /shouldn't/ trust us. (and at the same time the really should, because we're only doing this stuff now because we're paranoid that they're out to get us, which is only again because they're paranoid about us, lather rinse repeat).
J:
ReplyDelete"China supported nK against us in the 1950s, we didn't bomb them."
Because we didn't want Global Thermonuclear War.
"The Sovs supported North Vietnam against us in the 1970s, we didn't bomb them. "
See above.
"But because "Iranians love to kill Americans," we need to attack Iran,"
That does tend to be what war is. The other guys kill you, you kill the other guys, etc.
But, of course, the question is, is it worth going to war with Iran to get them to stop killing our people in Iraq, especially since we're leaving Iraq.
" Now we haven't seen any Iranian Republican [sic]Guard members attacking US soldiers, but hey, it's all in the spirit of things."
How would we know if they were? The Shia militias, some of them anyway, seem to (and obviously /I/ don't have the intel on this, so maybe its true, maybe its not) have learned to make EFP from the Rev Guard (the ones that weren't too busy sniping girls in green). So what's it matter if they are actually carrying out the attacks. I mean, Proxy Wars are what you have when the Patrons /can't/ directly conflict, that hardly means its not a Proxy War. We killed soviets in afghanistan by giving the 'holy warriors' SAMS. The Soviets and Chinese killed our guys in Vietnam by giving the north weapons. Lets not fall for our own 'lie' here, we know what we're doing and they know what they're doing.
"Oh wait, they're already dying in Bush's two unending wars."
Ohhh SNAP rhetorical score built up on dead service men yo, republicans just got served *does a funky dance*
maxx:
"They been askin' for it for quite some time. "
In the Iranians' defense here (playing devils advocate, yes no?), the people in Iran that were 'right' were the paranoid lunatics. I mean, we were supporting the Shah, he was an autocrat, we'd've loved to have bombed 'em and put him back in power, we do support terrorists in their borders, we are secretly trying to assassinate their holy leaders, etc. They really /shouldn't/ trust us. (and at the same time the really should, because we're only doing this stuff now because we're paranoid that they're out to get us, which is only again because they're paranoid about us, lather rinse repeat).
J:
ReplyDelete"China supported nK against us in the 1950s, we didn't bomb them."
Because we didn't want Global Thermonuclear War.
"The Sovs supported North Vietnam against us in the 1970s, we didn't bomb them. "
See above.
"But because "Iranians love to kill Americans," we need to attack Iran,"
That does tend to be what war is. The other guys kill you, you kill the other guys, etc.
But, of course, the question is, is it worth going to war with Iran to get them to stop killing our people in Iraq, especially since we're leaving Iraq.
" Now we haven't seen any Iranian Republican [sic]Guard members attacking US soldiers, but hey, it's all in the spirit of things."
How would we know if they were? The Shia militias, some of them anyway, seem to (and obviously /I/ don't have the intel on this, so maybe its true, maybe its not) have learned to make EFP from the Rev Guard (the ones that weren't too busy sniping girls in green). So what's it matter if they are actually carrying out the attacks. I mean, Proxy Wars are what you have when the Patrons /can't/ directly conflict, that hardly means its not a Proxy War. We killed soviets in afghanistan by giving the 'holy warriors' SAMS. The Soviets and Chinese killed our guys in Vietnam by giving the north weapons. Lets not fall for our own 'lie' here, we know what we're doing and they know what they're doing.
"Oh wait, they're already dying in Bush's two unending wars."
Ohhh SNAP rhetorical score built up on dead service men yo, republicans just got served *does a funky dance*
maxx:
ReplyDelete"They been askin' for it for quite some time. "
In the Iranians' defense here (playing devils advocate, yes no?), the people in Iran that were 'right' were the paranoid lunatics. I mean, we were supporting the Shah, he was an autocrat, we'd've loved to have bombed 'em and put him back in power, we do support terrorists in their borders, we are secretly trying to assassinate their holy leaders, etc. They really /shouldn't/ trust us. (and at the same time the really should, because we're only doing this stuff now because we're paranoid that they're out to get us, which is only again because they're paranoid about us, lather rinse repeat).